{"id":6835,"date":"2016-06-15T01:07:16","date_gmt":"2016-06-14T19:07:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/?p=6835"},"modified":"2022-12-22T10:00:25","modified_gmt":"2022-12-22T16:00:25","slug":"condemnation-or-judgment-part-15","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/religiousmind.net\/?p=6835","title":{"rendered":"Condemnation or Judgment? &#8211; Part 15"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was cast into the sea that caught all kinds of fish. \u00a0When it was full, they pulled it ashore, sat down, and put the good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u1f70, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2\">\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2<\/a>) <em>fish into containers and threw the bad <\/em>(\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f70, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2\">\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2<\/a>) <em>away. \u00a0It will be this way at the end of the age. \u00a0Angels will come and separate the evil<\/em> (\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2\">\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2<\/a>) <em>from the righteous<\/em> (\u03b4\u03b9\u03ba\u03b1\u1f77\u03c9\u03bd, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03b4\u03af\u03ba\u03b1\u03b9\u03bf\u03c2\">\u03b4\u03af\u03ba\u03b1\u03b9\u03bf\u03c2<\/a>) <em>and throw them into the fiery furnace<\/em>, <em>where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn1\"><sup>[1]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 This parable about <em>the kingdom of heaven<\/em> focused commentators\u2019 attentions on the church as opposed to the world at large.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn the visible church,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Henry<\/a> (1662-1714) wrote, \u201cthere is a deal of trash and rubbish, dirt and weeds and vermin, as well as fish\u2026.Hypocrites and true Christians shall be parted.\u201d<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn2\"><sup>[2]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/geb.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Gill<\/a> (1697-1771) added, \u201cas many as [the angels] find to have a good work of grace wrought and finished in their souls, they will gather into Christ&#8217;s barn, into the everlasting habitations, the mansions in Christ&#8217;s Father&#8217;s house, he is gone to prepare: but as for the bad, who shall appear to be destitute of the grace of God, and righteousness of Christ, notwithstanding their profession of religion, they shall be rejected, as good for nothing, and shall be cast into the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.\u201d<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn3\"><sup>[3]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cOur Saviour never fails to keep before our minds the great truth that there is to be a day of judgment,\u201d wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/bnb.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Albert Barnes<\/a> (1798-1870), \u201cand that there will be a separation of the good and the evil. \u00a0He came to preach salvation; and it is a remarkable fact, also, that the most fearful accounts of hell and of the sufferings of the damned, in the Scriptures, are from his lips.\u00a0 How does this agree with the representations of those who say that all will be saved?\u201d<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn4\"><sup>[4]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On the meaning of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f70 (a form of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/tpc.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a> (1884) reads: <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn5\"><sup>[5]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Not to be pressed to mean &#8220;corrupt, dead fish, in a state of rottenness&#8221; (Goebel), for surely fishermen seldom get many of these, but simply the worthless, the unfit for use. \u00a0This would include the legally unclean. \u00a0Tristram writes,&#8221; The greater number of the species taken on the lake are rejected by the fishermen, and I have sat with them on the gunwale while they\u00a0went through their net, and threw out into the sea those that were too small for the market or were considered unclean&#8221; (&#8216;Nat. Hist. of Bible,&#8217; p. 291, edit. 1889)<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Watch out for false prophets<\/em>, Jesus said, <em>who come to you in sheep\u2019s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. \u00a0You will recognize them by their fruit<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03c1\u03c0\u1ff6\u03bd, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-dictionary-2\/#_\u03ba\u03b1\u03c1\u03c0\u03cc\u03c2\">\u03ba\u03b1\u03c1\u03c0\u03cc\u03c2<\/a>).<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn6\"><sup>[6]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 I can be fairly specific here: Does the would-be prophet demonstrate <em>love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control<\/em>,<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn7\"><sup>[7]<\/sup><\/a> the <em>fruit <\/em>(\u03ba\u03b1\u03c1\u03c0\u1f78\u03c2) <em>of the Spirit<\/em>?\u00a0 Or does the would-be prophet <em><a href=\"https:\/\/net.bible.org\/#!bible\/Galatians+5:21\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">practice<\/a><\/em> (\u03c0\u03c1\u1f71\u03c3\u03c3\u03bf\u03bd\u03c4\u03b5\u03c2, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03c0\u03c1\u03ac\u03c3\u03c3\u03c9\">\u03c0\u03c1\u03ac\u03c3\u03c3\u03c9<\/a>) <em>sexual immorality<\/em> (<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03c0\u03bf\u03c1\u03bd\u03b5\u03af\u03b1\">\u03c0\u03bf\u03c1\u03bd\u03b5\u1f77\u03b1<\/a>), <em>impurity, depravity, idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish rivalries, dissensions, factions, envying, murder, drunkenness, carousing<\/em>,<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn8\"><sup>[8]<\/sup><\/a> the <em>works <\/em>(\u1f14\u03c1\u03b3\u03b1, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u1f14\u03c1\u03b3\u03bf\u03bd\">\u1f14\u03c1\u03b3\u03bf\u03bd<\/a>) <em>of the flesh<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>Jesus continued, <em>Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? \u00a0In the same way, every good<\/em> (\u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u1f78\u03bd, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u03cc\u03c2\">\u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u03cc\u03c2<\/a>) <em>tree bears good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2, another form of \u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2) <em>fruit, but the bad <\/em>(\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) <em>tree bears bad<\/em> (\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2, a form of \u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) <em>fruit<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn9\"><sup>[9]<\/sup><\/a> \u00a0I think it worth mentioning that the word translated <em>bears<\/em> is \u03c0\u03bf\u03b9\u03b5\u1fd6 (a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u03c0\u03bf\u03b9\u03ad\u03c9\">\u03c0\u03bf\u03b9\u03ad\u03c9<\/a>) in both occurrences.\u00a0 <em>A good<\/em> (\u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u1f78\u03bd, a form of \u1f00\u03b3\u03b1\u03b8\u03cc\u03c2) <em>tree is not able to bear bad<\/em> (\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2, a form of \u03c0\u03bf\u03bd\u03b7\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) <em>fruit<\/em>, Jesus continued, <em>nor a bad<\/em> (\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) <em>tree to bear good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03bf\u1f7a\u03c2, another form of \u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2) <em>fruit<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn10\"><sup>[10]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Make a tree good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2) <em>and its fruit will be good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2), Jesus said to religious people, <em>or make a tree bad<\/em> (\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2) <em>and its fruit will be bad<\/em> (\u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03c3\u03b1\u03c0\u03c1\u03cc\u03c2), <em>for a tree is known by its fruit<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn11\"><sup>[11]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 I\u2019ve written <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/03\/14\/romans-part-71\/\">elsewhere<\/a> how the religious mind reverses this teaching.\u00a0 <em>Every tree that does not bear good<\/em> (\u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u1f78\u03bd, another form of \u03ba\u03b1\u03bb\u03cc\u03c2) <em>fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire<\/em>, Jesus continued his warning about false prophets<em>. \u00a0So then, you will recognize them by their fruit<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn12\"><sup>[12]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_old\"><\/a>This leads me inevitably to the <em>old <\/em>and <em>new <\/em>human (\u1f04\u03bd\u03b8\u03c1\u03c9\u03c0\u03bf\u03bd, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u1f04\u03bd\u03b8\u03c1\u03c9\u03c0\u03bf\u03c2\">\u1f04\u03bd\u03b8\u03c1\u03c9\u03c0\u03bf\u03c2<\/a> in Greek; I see no reason to specify gender).\u00a0 <em>You were taught with reference to your former way of life to lay aside the old man who is being corrupted in accordance with deceitful desires, to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and to put on<\/em> (\u1f10\u03bd\u03b4\u1f7b\u03c3\u03b1\u03c3\u03b8\u03b1\u03b9, a form of <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/greek-concordance\/#_\u1f10\u03bd\u03b4\u03cd\u03c9\">\u1f10\u03bd\u03b4\u03cd\u03c9<\/a>) <em>the new man who has been created in God\u2019s image \u2013 in righteousness and holiness that comes from truth<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn13\"><sup>[13]<\/sup><\/a> \u00a0The word \u1f10\u03bd\u03b4\u1f7b\u03c3\u03b1\u03c3\u03b8\u03b1\u03b9 means <em>to sink into<\/em>. \u00a0In movies the femme fatale <em>slips<\/em> into something more comfortable.\u00a0 To<em> put on<\/em> the new human is considerably more macho.<\/p>\n<p>I am working class all the way, rarely wear a suit.\u00a0 If I do, it is to fit in, to impress or to intimidate.\u00a0 It is a <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/#q=put+on+definition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">put-on<\/a><\/em> in every sense of the word.\u00a0 \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fake_it_%27til_you_make_it\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fake it until you make it<\/a>\u201d works in those situations when \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.brainyquote.com\/quotes\/quotes\/a\/abrahamlin110340.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">you can fool all of the people some of the time<\/a>.\u201d\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t work with the new human because <em>no creature is hidden from God, but everything is naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must render an account<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn14\"><sup>[14]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 To <em>put on<\/em> the new human I must believe that God has prepared it beforehand, ready and able to respond as He would have me respond.<\/p>\n<p>This new human is the one who has been <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2012\/04\/15\/introduction\/\">fathered by God<\/a>: <em>We know that everyone fathered by God does not sin, but God protects <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2012\/04\/15\/introduction\/#sdfootnote4sym\">the one<\/a> he has fathered, and the evil one cannot touch him<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn15\"><sup>[15]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 <em>Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin, because God\u2019s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn16\"><sup>[16]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 This new human is the one who is led by the Spirit: <em>For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn17\"><sup>[17]<\/sup><\/a>\u00a0 The old human <em>is being corrupted in accordance with deceitful desires<\/em>.\u00a0 It gets progressively worse, never better.<\/p>\n<p>This was vividly portrayed for me\u2014in me\u2014the Saturday before Mother\u2019s day.\u00a0 I had a rare opportunity to be home.\u00a0 My eighty-four-year-old mother asked me to finish trimming her bushes.\u00a0 Now, of course, she had a particular way it needed to be done.\u00a0 As I untangled the long extension cord that powered the trimmer I recalled that handling that cord caused her fall last summer.\u00a0 She broke her hip and lay on the driveway for ten hours, parched and burnt in the sun and then shivering in the rain, until my sister found her.\u00a0 But the whole time I trimmed those bushes the old human did nothing but bitch, moan and complain about her.<\/p>\n<p>It didn\u2019t affect my behavior.\u00a0 (I trimmed her bushes to the best of my ability.\u00a0 No, it wasn\u2019t topiary by any stretch of the imagination.)\u00a0 The old human didn\u2019t affect my attitude toward her.\u00a0 (I called and asked her to make sure.)\u00a0 But I can hardly wait to be rid of the foul thing! \u00a0So when I hear\u2014<em>Angels will come and separate the evil<\/em> <em>from <\/em>[\u1f10\u03ba \u03bc\u1f73\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5; literally \u201cout from the midst of\u201d] <em>the righteous<\/em> <em>and throw them into the fiery furnace<\/em>, <em>where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth<\/em>\u2014I wonder if that describes my release from this sin <a href=\"https:\/\/net.bible.org\/#!bible\/Romans+8:3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">condemned<\/a> in my flesh. \u00a0And I\u2019m confounded that so many pastors thought instead of members of their congregations.\u00a0 Why?<\/p>\n<p>Do we differ in our understanding of the fruit of the Spirit?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd here we may observe that as sin is called\u00a0the work of the flesh,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm\/galatians-5.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Henry<\/a> wrote,\u00a0\u201cbecause the flesh, or corrupt nature, is the principle that moves and excites men to it, so grace is said to be\u00a0the fruit of the Spirit,\u00a0because it wholly proceeds from the Spirit, as the fruit does from the root\u2026\u201d\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/geb\/galatians-5.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Gill<\/a> was a bit more equivocal: \u00a0\u201cNot of nature or man&#8217;s free will, as corrupted by sin, for no good fruit springs from thence; but either of the internal principle of grace, called the Spirit,\u00a0Galatians 5:17\u00a0or rather of the Holy Spirit, as the Ethiopic version reads it; the graces of which are called \u2018fruit\u2019, and not \u2018works\u2019, as the actions of the flesh are; because they are owing to divine influence, efficacy, and bounty\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/bnb\/galatians-5.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Albert Barnes<\/a> was explicit: \u201cThat which the Holy Spirit produces\u2026Paul does not trace them to our own hearts, even when renewed. \u00a0He says that they are to be regarded as the proper result of the Spirit\u2018s operations on the soul.\u201d\u00a0 In the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/tpc\/galatians-5.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a> the fruit of the Spirit was rationalized as \u201cdispositions and states of mind,\u201d and demeaned somewhat as \u201cstates of mind or <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2018\/06\/09\/will-arete-and-troy\/#_habit\">habits<\/a> of feeling [rather] than concrete actions,\u201d but are still acknowledged as produced by the Holy Spirit: \u201c[Paul] reckons up the dispositions and states of mind which it was the office of the Holy Spirit to produce in them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Do we differ in our understanding of the necessity and efficacy of God\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/net.bible.org\/#!bible\/Romans+9:16\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">mercy<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is not of him that willeth\u2026.Applying this general rule to the particular case that Paul has before him,\u201d wrote <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm\/romans-9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Henry<\/a>, \u201cthe reason why the unworthy, undeserving, ill-deserving Gentiles are called, and grafted into the church, while the greatest part of the Jews are left to perish in unbelief, is not because those Gentiles were better deserving or better disposed for such a favour, but because of God&#8217;s free grace that made that difference. \u00a0The Gentiles did neither will it, nor run for it, for they\u00a0sat in darkness,\u00a0Matthew 4:16. \u00a0In darkness, therefore not willing what they knew not\u00a0sitting in darkness, a contented posture, therefore not running to meet it, but anticipated with these invaluable blessings of goodness. \u00a0Such is the method of God&#8217;s grace towards all that partake of it, for he is found of those that sought him not (Isaiah 65:1) in this preventing, effectual, distinguishing grace, he acts as a benefactor, whose grace is his own. \u00a0Our eye therefore must not be evil because his is good&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/geb\/romans-9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Gill<\/a> wrote: \u201cbut of God that sheweth mercy; in a free sovereign way and manner, which he is not obliged to by anything the creature wills or works; he is at full liberty, notwithstanding whatever they will or do, to give his grace and mercy, when, where, and to whom he pleases; and therefore to give it to some, and deny it to others, can never be accounted an act of injustice, since he is not bound to give it to any.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/bnb\/romans-9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Albert Barnes<\/a> wrote: \u201cBut of God that showeth mercy &#8211;\u00a0Salvation in its beginning, its progress, and its close, is of him. \u00a0He has a right, therefore, to bestow it when and where he pleases. \u00a0All our mercies flow from his mere love and compassion, and not from our deserts. \u00a0The essential idea here is, that God is the original fountain of all the blessings of salvation.\u201d\u00a0 The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/tpc\/romans-9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a> doesn\u2019t comment on Romans 9:16 directly but reads: \u201cThe argument (thus introduced by\u00a0\u03b3\u03b1\u0300\u03c1) requires two understood premisses\u2014that God cannot possibly be unrighteous, and that what he himself said to Moses must be true.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Do we differ on who may be shown <a href=\"https:\/\/net.bible.org\/#!bible\/Romans+11:32\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">mercy<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm\/romans-11.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Henry<\/a> didn\u2019t comment directly on Romans 11:32: \u201cHe shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.\u00a0 Christ&#8217;s errand into the world was to turn away ungodliness, to turn away the guilt by the purchase of pardoning mercy, and to turn away the power by the pouring out of renewing grace, to save his people from their sins (Matthew 1:21), to separate between us and our sins, that iniquity might not be our ruin, and that it might not be our ruler. \u00a0Especially to turn it away from Jacob, which is that for the sake of which he quotes the text, as a proof of the great kindness God intended for the seed of Jacob.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So far so good.\u00a0 Mr. Henry quoted Paul quoting Isaiah:<\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"213\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">NET<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\" width=\"213\">Parallel Greek<\/td>\n<td width=\"213\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Septuagint<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"213\">The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Romans 11:26b<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"213\">\u1f25\u03be\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f10\u03ba \u03a3\u03b9\u1f7c\u03bd \u1f41 \u03c1\u03c5\u1f79\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03c2,<\/p>\n<p>\u1f00\u03c0\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03c1\u1f73\u03c8\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f00\u03c3\u03b5\u03b2\u03b5\u1f77\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u1f38\u03b1\u03ba\u1f7d\u03b2.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Romans 11:26b<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"213\">\u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u00a0\u1f25\u03be\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f15\u03bd\u03b5\u03ba\u03b5\u03bd \u03a3\u03b9\u03c9\u03bd \u1f41 \u1fe5\u03c5\u1f79\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03c2 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f00\u03c0\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03c1\u1f73\u03c8\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f00\u03c3\u03b5\u03b2\u03b5\u1f77\u03b1\u03c2 \u1f00\u03c0\u1f78 \u0399\u03b1\u03ba\u03c9\u03b2<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.blueletterbible.org\/lxx\/isa\/59\/20\/t_bibles_738020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Isaiah 59:20<\/a><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Then Mr. Henry quoted the same verse in Isaiah from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gotquestions.org\/Masoretic-Text.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Masoretic text<\/a>: \u201cIn Isaiah it is,\u00a0The Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto those that turn from transgression in Jacob,\u00a0which shown who in Zion were to have a share in and to reap benefit by the deliverance promised, those and those only that leave their sins and turn to God to them Christ comes as a Redeemer, but as an avenger to those that persist in impenitence.\u201d \u00a0Then he proposed an unbelievable solution: \u201cPutting both these readings together, we learn that none have an interest in Christ but those that turn from their sins, nor can any turn from their sins but by the strength of the grace of Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In other words, no one can be saved since God will only show mercy to those who turn from their sins and none can turn from their sins apart from God\u2019s mercy.\u00a0 With a Gospel message like that we need not wonder at the \u201cdeal of trash and rubbish, dirt and weeds and vermin\u201d in his church. \u00a0That\u2019s not quite fair.\u00a0 Mr. Henry didn\u2019t specify whether the \u201cdeal of trash and rubbish, dirt and weeds and vermin\u201d were members of his own congregation or another.\u00a0 According to an online <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bio<\/a> \u201che began his regular ministry as non-conformist pastor of a Presbyterian congregation\u2026\u201d\u00a0 Perhaps he wrote thus of Anglicans or Catholics. \u00a0But I think I understand why he had no comment to make on Paul\u2019s declaration: <em>For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all<\/em>.<a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn18\"><sup>[18]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cJews, though for the present unbelievers,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/geb\/romans-11.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Gill<\/a> wrote, \u201cyet it may be thought, that through the mercy the Gentiles had received, they would some time or other be provoked to seek for, and so obtain the same mercy,\u00a0Romans 11:31, and the rather this may be given into and received, not only because they both have been in a state of unbelief, but the end and design of God in concluding them in it, were to have mercy on each of them,\u00a0Romans 11:32\u2026\u201d I may be mistaken but I take Mr. Gill to mean that God will have mercy on some Jews and Gentiles (those who turn from their sins perhaps?).\u00a0 Mr. Gill continued, \u201cwhich dispensation of God both to one and to the other by turns, in different ways, was so amazing and unaccountable to the apostle, that he breaks out into admiration at the wisdom and knowledge of God\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMercy is favor shown to the undeserving,\u201d wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/bnb\/romans-11.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Albert Barnes<\/a>. \u00a0\u201cIt could not have been shown to the Jews and the Gentiles unless it was before proved that they were guilty. \u00a0For this purpose proof was furnished that they were all in unbelief\u2026.Thus, all people were on a level; and thus all might be admitted to heaven without any invidious distinctions, or any dealings that were not in accordance with mercy and love\u2026.It does not prove that all people will be saved; but that those who are saved shall be alike saved by the mercy of God; and that He intends to confer salvation on Jews and Gentiles on the same terms.\u201d\u00a0 <strong><em>I will have mercy on whom I have mercy<\/em><\/strong><em>, <strong>and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion<\/strong><\/em>.\u00a0 <em>So then, it does not depend on human desire or exertion, but on God who shows <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2012\/04\/22\/religious-and-righteous-prayer\/#sdfootnote13sym\">mercy<\/a><\/em>. <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/15\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-15\/#_ftn19\"><sup>[19]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThus the latter expression [e.g., <a href=\"https:\/\/net.bible.org\/#!bible\/Romans+11:32\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Romans 11:32<\/a>] is not in itself adducible in support of the doctrine of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Christian_Universalism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">universalism<\/a>,\u201d the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/tpc\/romans-11.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a> reads. \u00a0\u201cCertainly the prospect of a universal triumph of the gospel before the end rises here before the apostle in prophetic vision; and it may be that it carries with it to his mind further glories of eternal salvation for all, casting their rays backward over all past ages, so as to inspire an unbounded hope. \u00a0Such a hope, which seems elsewhere intimated (cf.\u00a01 Corinthians 15:24-29;\u00a0Ephesians 1:9,\u00a0Ephesians 1:10,\u00a0Ephesians 1:20-23;\u00a0Colossians 1:15-20) would justify the glowing rhapsody of admiration and thanksgiving that follows more fully than if we supposed the apostle to contemplate still the eternal perdition of the multitudes who in all the ages have not on earth found mercy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Here the Pulpit Commentary referred to Romans 11:32-36 (NET):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all. \u00a0Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! \u00a0How unsearchable are his judgments and how fathomless his ways! \u00a0<strong><em>For who has known the mind of the Lord<\/em><\/strong><em>, <strong>or who has been his counselor? <\/strong><\/em>\u00a0<strong><em>Or who has first given to God<\/em><\/strong><em>, <strong>that God needs to repay him? <\/strong><\/em>\u00a0For from him and through him and to him are all things. \u00a0To him be glory forever! \u00a0Amen.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I\u2019ll pick this up again later.<\/p>\n<div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/07\/04\/condemnation-or-judgment-part-16\/\"><em>Condemnation or Judgment? &#8211; Part 16<\/em><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/19\/romans-part-77\/\">Back to <em>Romans, Part 77<\/em><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2016\/06\/24\/romans-part-78\/\">Back to <em>Romans, Part 78<\/em><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn1\"><\/a><sup>[1]<\/sup> Matthew 13:47-50 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn2\"><\/a><sup>[2]<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/mhm\/matthew-13.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Henry\u2019s Concise Commentary<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn3\"><\/a><sup>[3]<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/geb\/matthew-13.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Gill\u2019s Exposition of the Whole Bible<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn4\"><\/a><sup>[4]<\/sup> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/bnb\/matthew-13.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn5\"><\/a><sup>[5]<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.studylight.org\/commentaries\/tpc\/matthew-13.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pulpit Commentary<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn6\"><\/a><sup>[6]<\/sup> Matthew 7:15, 16a (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn7\"><\/a><sup>[7]<\/sup> Galatians 5:22, 23a (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn8\"><\/a><sup>[8]<\/sup> Galatians 5:19-21a (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn9\"><\/a><sup>[9]<\/sup> Matthew 7:16b, 17(NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn10\"><\/a><sup>[10]<\/sup> Matthew 7:18 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn11\"><\/a><sup>[11]<\/sup> Matthew 12:33 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn12\"><\/a><sup>[12]<\/sup> Matthew 7:19, 20 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn13\"><\/a><sup>[13]<\/sup> Ephesians 4:22-24 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn14\"><\/a><sup>[14]<\/sup> Hebrews 4:13 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn15\"><\/a><sup>[15]<\/sup> 1 John 5:18 (NET) <a href=\"https:\/\/intelligent-torvalds.74-208-171-134.plesk.page\/2012\/04\/15\/introduction\/#_Table3\">Table<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn16\"><\/a><sup>[16]<\/sup> 1 John 3:9 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn17\"><\/a><sup>[17]<\/sup> Romans 8:14 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn18\"><\/a><sup>[18]<\/sup> Romans 11:32 (NET)<\/p>\n<p><a id=\"_ftn19\"><\/a><sup>[19]<\/sup> Romans 9:15b, 16 (NET)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was cast into the 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